Otterman I can put up with your idea of a type freeze for five years, but there is no way I am going to the bottom of the list. The reasons being that if any redundancies come up it is the guys at the bottom that bear the brunt. Also, many of the pilots at klmUK have been contributing to the KLM group for much longer than the junior pilots at KLC or Mainline. Anybody who has worked for the group for less time should be junior. Nuff said!