Driver1, you mentioned that there are pilots with 31 years service with AirUK/KLMuk. That is in impressive amount of time. The other question you asked; if that should not be recognized. This is where the problem starts. For KLM mainline pilots the integration does not represent added value from a career perspective. We have the big iron that represents the bigger remuneration. And as of the present time junior KLM pilots with a lot of experience can’t bid down into the left seat of KLC aircraft. The problem with any KLMuk/KLC integration is that the KLM mainline list has all the KLC pilots merged into it already. There is one list. At the moment that a KLC pilot joined he/she knew that there was an integration scheme that would allow transfer to mainline after passing their assessment after four years at KLC, and an additional four years service. It was part of their contract. Adding KLMuk pilots onto this list will be hard, because there is no pre-existing model. In order to recognize the years of service at KLMuk I would be inclined to firewall the respective fleets for a number of years (thinking along the lines of 5 years), everybody keeps what they have, nobody takes anybody’s seat. KLMuk pilots will be put at the bottom of the KLM mainline list. Any fleet increase in the regional segment would be split at a pro-rated amount between crewing of KLC and KLMuk, so career perspective is maintained for that 5 years. In the meantime the operational side would be integrated totally in the most efficient manner. So KLC and KLMuk crews interchange so even a Captain from one side could fly with an FO from the other side. After those five years, everyone should be settled with the new situation and cross bidding side-ways and up into mainline could start. Where the principal that nobody can be bumped out of their seat is upheld. This honors people in the sense that nobody looses anything, and KLM mainline positions will open up for KLMuk pilots after five years. What brought about a lot of trouble with the KLM/KLC integration was that KLM junior mainline pilots actually lost a lot of positions on the list. This was a first in KLM history, and left some deep scares. I can state that this is not likely to happen again. Once KLMuk pilots are integrated into the list, all new hires at any company would join at the new bottom. For KLM mainline pilots nothing much changes. For KLMuk pilots the big fleet will open up and they don’t lose anything that they now have.