ICURA & Dutchie, not being a pilot, I cannot say what the VNV does and doesn't do.. .. .On the previous page there was a question as to what the word VNV means. . .I went to their website, copied the name from there in Dutch and English, so the ppruner who wanted to know got his answer.. .. .My second comment says exactly how I personally feel about the VNV. I have flown for 20 years now, and seen the difference between how the VNV represents it's members and how my own union does it. The Cabin Crew Union might be the biggest one looking at the numbers, but they have in no way the same clout the VNV has. While the CC union is certainly well meaning and has become more professional off late, it does not have the determination nor the professionalism of the VNV.. .. .Looking at it from the outside, I can only wish my own union were more like the VNV.. .. .Any moral judgement on the VNV's points of view, as well as informed comment on it's actions, I am happy to leave to it's members.