So what's the problem with RASing and RISing in class G airspace? I've been doing it for over 30 years without the benefit of controlled airspace. The problem with newly trained ATCO's nowadays is they can't hack it without controlled airspace; course the bean counters want as cheap an ATCO as possible so they employ those who've failed with other providers but have passed the approved course. If Peel were to provide some form of LARS service around the Doncaster area, they would create something approaching a 'known traffic' environment making it safer for everyone.