MaximumPete - What a sorry saga, not only for you and Mrs MP who have clearly suffered dreadfully, but also for the many excellent Lady pilots out there today who view unpleasant women, such as the one you cite, with utter contempt. Those wise and able Ladies realise that the likes of this particular female serves to give them all a bad name - though I am sure all my male colleagues actually see this particular woman for what she is; utter pond life (and my apologies to Kermit 180 as I have already upset him before by using a similar analogy in the past!). Pity Management seemed to lack the IQ to work her out and/or the Management skills to sort the issue out. I thought that is what they were paid to do. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> . .. .Looking at the wider case, I believe that “Positive Discrimination” at an early stage of training pushes through some unsuitable Pilots, both male and female. All the big Basic Training providers are to blame in not looking very critically at the wider, Human Factors, aspects of Pilots in the early stages of Training. Such “problem people” should be weeded out long before the IR. The Military are probably better at this as, what they train, they know they will probably fly with - if not in the same cockpit, possibly in very close formation on a dark and stormy night!!!!!! I wonder where this female did her basic training and what the honest views of her Instructors were? I would put money on the fact that she caused a few people to question her suitability to become a good, all-round, Aviator at the time. I wonder what, if any, steps were taken at that stage? Could the Airline sue the Training provider for not taking action then? Now, that would shake things up! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> . .. .Generic cases of this in the Training world? Often male discrimination surrounds the seeming inability of many senior staff to see through the veneer of bulls**t that those without much natural ability tend to cover themselves with or, if the staff do, they avoid taking action which will lose the School money. The Student may pass the IR but so much about flying is mental ATTITUDE. Still, the Schools’ attitude is that the “problem” will soon be someone else’s and this prevents the appropriate steps being taken at that stage. The later a problem is left, the harder it is to sort it out – hardly HR Rocket Science. I am quite sure the fact that “money talks” has seen some dubious characters move into the Cockpit. However, the case here is a clear demonstration of the catty level a few women will sink to in order to cover their professional inadequacies. In some cases, those who hide behind the shield of “Sexual Harassment”, even when such harassment clearly does not exist, are quite happy to use sex to climb the airstairs into the Cockpit. Mmmm, I wonder…….! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Surely not! But I have seen it in the past so please don't shoot poor H 'n' H for talking out of turn.. .. .I think that the “PC Brigade” have actually dragged the recognition of women to where it should be; based on ability. Unfortunately, having arrived at the centre of the arena some decade ago, they forgot to stop running. In doing so they are now alienating their own kind! I recall seeing one Lady being subjected to “Positive Discrimination” and she was furious as she was paraded in front of the Press. She was actually highly professional – but her equally-able male counterparts were not put on show – and were they glad. So the “PC Brigade” have scored a lovely “own goal” if you ask me! Alas, too late in this case. Wasn’t it “The Two Ronnies” who did a sketch entitled “The Worm Has Turned”? Maybe we should dust that one down. Or maybe the Industry/CAA should take a more detailed look at training requirements.. .. .MP, whatever happens, you and Mrs MP have a wonderful “retirement” and put this woman behind you. Unfortunately, the female in question is our problem now. Thought you’d smile when you realised that! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />