NorthernSky,. .. .I entirely agree with your suggestions. . .. .If there had been a manager in place who could actually manage this sorry state affairs could have been sorted out in about an hour, if that.. .. .Unfortunately the "luddite" mentality persists in certain quarters and this could happen again within my ex-airline.. .. .I'm not knocking managers. There is one very able competent pilot manager, whose name I cannot mention, but he is denied the time and the tools to carry out the job to his satisfaction.. .. .MP <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />