Wig Wag.. .. .There are some excellent courses in and outside the aviation industry. . .. .Unfortunately there is always one stumbling block: MONEY. .. .In the ideal world all pilots would attend a full-blown management course as part of their induction training when they join an airline. Perhaps someone with a service background can confirm that officers/pilots are trained in management skills very early on in their careers? This does not appear, at least from my own personal experiences, to happen in the civilian aviation world.. .. .I think we are getting there at the Grass-Root level with the CRM training at the initial training stage when joining the airline and more importantly during recuurrency training when we are getting a "feel" for the job. However very little appears to be done to have a formal selection procedure for managers. Maybe a weekend of Chay Blythe or something similar could be on the cards. Walking on red hot coals could be made part of the curriculum, only joking!. .. .All the best everyone. .. .MP <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />