Maximum Pete's moral courage in posting his experience on PPRUNE is commendable. I thoroughly agree with Northern Sky; the management rot has got to stop.. .. .In my time in the industry I worked for several airlines and ended up with a very jaundiced view of pilot management. A rare few (the really really bright ones) were outstanding and bless their souls. The majority were just protecting their own positions and you had to wonder how they came by the post. It seemed to me that they invariably came up via the training route having rubbed shoulders with other managers. Now, pilots are managers in their own right BUT line management is an altogether different role and you will suceed if you are naturally talanted OR properly trained.. .. .I had some thoroughly unpleasant (although seemingly diplomatic) encounters with Fleet Pilots. They wanted punctuality and I wanted defects rectified before take off. I recall asking for clarification in writing in one case (BALPA screened the letter first) and that got them off my back, However, a few months later I had a really odd SIM Check (which I passed) and it was clear to me that they were not going to let matters pass. I left on my own terms for pastures new and never looked back.. .. .How do we raise the standard of pilot management?. .The only way forward that I can see is proper training for the job which, as yet does not exist.. .. .I wonder if Cranfield could be persuaded to run short courses for pilot managers. say two months covering the basic stuff like employment law, safety, aviation medicine and some finance.. .. .What are your thoughts gentleman?