Maximum. .. .I'm not going to be today's most popular person for saying this but what you have outlined does not seem to me to justify calling your Fleet Manager totally ineffective. The whole thing seems to have got massively out-of-hand but you have got your closure. Is it a good thing to start opening this out too publicly?. . . . <small>[ 07 March 2002, 15:41: Message edited by: twistedenginestarter ]</small>