BID SYSTEM, JFK VOTE, DIVISIONAL FLYING AGREEMENT ETC
The following are several statements and observations, which are totally accurate about some of the postings on here during the last several days:
1) Lowerlobe i see you raise your head yet again after the humiliation you suffered over the JFK vote which established once and for all how totally unrepresentative and out of touch you are with the vast bulk of cabin crew.
Your statements such as you have not met anyone who voted for the JFK dispensation, further highlight how out of touch you are. 71% voted in favour and the "fact" that you can't find anyone who voted yes, shows you the unrepresentative circles that you mix in.
I'll give you a revelation lowerlobe, the tiny minority, in fact the miniscule few who post on pprune are often not representative of what crew think on any issue. The JfK vote is a classic demonstration of that, because you tend to get 1-3 people who are pushing a particular barrow.
I see the new year has not bought you any advancement in your knowledge or accuracy of issues. I see you make references yet again to Kiwi's being on the JFK shuttle crews- the FAAA never said that voting YES to the shuttle meant that these Kiwi crew will be taken off. What it said was that voting NO would result in ALL kiwi crew doing the JFK flying and therby taking LAX slots away from our crew.
I realise you and accurate statements don't go hand in hand, but that is why you are discredited.
2) Hawk Eye- your references to what is now called the Divisional Flying Agreement are interesting. People need to be reminded that the 3 previous FAAA senior officials were responsible in EBA6 for a situation where Long Haul had no access to the A330 OR TO THE new A380. What MM and the current oficials did as part of the new Divisional Flying Agreement was to secure the biggest slice of flying for Long Haul on the A330 and ALL the flying on the
A380 for Long Haul- a great outcome i would have thought.
3) In relation to the bid system Hawk eye, much of what you say makes sense. There are strongly opposing views, but what you have laid out in your arguments hawk eye are in fact reasoned and accurate observations.
I made comments about the FAAA organising a vote on the bid system in my previous post. It was a bit of a tongue in cheek comment directed at those who continually want a vote on every issue- even though that would be iimpractical and would lead to paralysis in decision making and worse still, a deadly outcome for crew (thats why no organisation in this country operates by referendums and ballots- whether a union or a business).
What i meant was that those who were shouting the loudest about having a membership vote on JFK(even though the FAAA said at the very beginning that the membership would decide that issue) seem to be the very ones who are the loudest in wanting the bid system to stay the way it is. I was making the point that these people now , funny enough, aren't demanding that the FAAA have a members vote to decide if the bid system should be changed.
T o directly answer you now hawk eye, the policy of the FAAA is quite clear in relation to the bid system. I have been to nearly all FAAA meetings since MM has led the union i.e. since March 2004- whenever this question has come up from a member- the response from our current officials has been consistent i.e. any changes must be member driven and have majority support.
To sum up, it is good that there are reasoned debates on any topic. What is not good is when you have individuals like lowerlobe who continually distort and misrepresent on issues, but then again he is in a small minority.
Those of you who want change to the bid system are entitled to push for that change. I know the senior leadership of the FAAA- they will act on this issue , including a vote of members if a substantial number of members approach the FAAA on this subject. Within the elected officias of the FAAA are differing opinions on this subject just as there are amongst the wider membership.
I hope my comments are of some benefit to those of you who come in here.