Afriman, if your intention was to get at those in this forum and on various other topics that complain about BEE and employment equity issues, then you succeeded and I am with you on this issue, if we dont address the imbalances of the past then we are just sitting on a gunpowder keg just waiting for the ignition source, the time scale could be a problem, FAIR equity for those that have achieved at least the MINIMUM requirements is also only fair. Most of us have already achieved something in our lives and therefore should not withhold oppurtunities for others just because we are GREEDY, but the process must be FAIR. Token'isms in promotions and employment and awarding cadet scheme oppurtunities is not what we want as that will just cause another "thread" to be started up again...........You have made those anti-BEE/equity people aware of your gripe....I call on you to take it to the open if you actually want to see some FAIR action to take place.