Off chocks, I do agree. As opposed to united that pay US$300k or so. I think unfortunately we are "slightly" ripped off on a global scale. However if the current aviation screwers would see that.When you are looking at cost cutting there are other area's apart from the guys up the front, simply put with out them the company make's no money. What about the other 5.7 billion free-loaders sitting behind desk's with their new mouse pad surfing the net on the companies time.... oh how badly am I banging my head against a brick wall. What never ceases to amaze me about this type of rationalisation is it always starts with the pilots. A bus driver at Ansett earn's $60k first year, a night freight loader earn's with overtime 120k... need I say more???