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Old 26th Jan 2006, 08:44
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allaru
 
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No there are no other extras, and don't forget there will be deductions from that 18000 for medical, provident fund, telephone, tickets, and so on. A bonus of 3-6 weeks has been payed most years and comes in handy to pay credit card bills.

Re puff m'calls post, allowances are not based on room service menus, and rarely will the allowance cover room service. The allowances are based on the cheapest outlet in the hotel, which is usually the buffet at the coffee shop, or similar outlet, and yes as he said EK then help themseves to our discount, and base the allowance on that discouted cost.

Least thats the theory, in practice it often won't even cover that. Try 5 pounds for breakfast at LHR, 7 at LGW. How about 77SGD for 24 hours in SIN, or 43AUD for 18 hours in MEL. Enough said I think you get the picture.

Re oblaaspop post, In my experience FOs rarely make overtime, and even if you do at 270dhs/hr its not worth it. If the 9000 dhs a month accommodation allowance looks like an opportunity to pocket some money, again forget it unless your prepared to live in a one bedroom bedsit, in an undesirable part of town. A villa will set you back 12000 a month plus another 1500-2000 for utilities.

Looking at the wage compared to home is of no relevance since you have to live in Dubai. As meantioned in shakealeg in the post 'unofficial EK poll', our own SVP HP (Pay and allowances) rates a Captains worth to that of a shop manager, and an FOs to that of a secretary/PA, which gives you an indication of how clueless they are with regards to Pay and allowances. I can assure you that the rates shown for the various other occupations are accurate, and even as a Captain you will be the poor cousin when compared to other professional expats working in Dubai. As an FO you will be hovering around the poverty line, in expat terms, earning something similar to what a senior purser gets paid.

This absurd situation has been allowed to develop, not due to clever management as the managers would have themselves believe, but rather the unusually prolonged slump in the industry over recent years. Except for the very early days of EK, this has been the situation, and EK managers have conditioned themselves to believe that they can pay peanuts, and push our professional status lower than just about every other department, and individual in the company. EK have allowed pay and conditions to erode to such a state that they are probably unable to restore them to realistic levels any time soon.

Unless you are single, if you come here as af FO you will not save a penny. Also be aware that there are other serious issues regarding non sustainable, and unrealistic crewing levels, crew rest facilities, rostering, and flight time limitaions.

If your looking to come here as a DEC, consider the following.

If your a retiree coming from a real airline expecting some time in the sun to top up your pension, is it really worth knocking 5 years off your life flying max hours, with minium rest, crappy hotels, crappy allowances, on 11 hour, multiple sectors in the middle of the night with two crew.

If your a narrow body captain looking for an opportunity, unless you have a lot of prior wide body, long haul international time time under your belt you'll find it tough. Just ask the numerous prospective DECs who failed to meet the standard and were sent packing.
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