Keg,. .. .Just some stuff you have heard over the years and you were not in Qantas at the time indicates a serious need to do much more historical research prior to accepting Aipa's apparent position of the time.. .. .AIPA removed the Qantas pilots from the trenches as it was beneath their diginity to support their fellow pilots of a supposed lesser postition several years previous.. .. .Had Qantas pilots still been within the AFAP, perhaps, as had been the case for many years, despite the fact that much vigorous debate would have again occurred and various points of view debated some of their wise counsel and views may have prevailed.. .. .Certainly, a united pilot group would have achieved more rather than the government, airlines exploiting the known divisiion.. .. .Proof is demonstrated by the postion of the pilot group today.. . . . <small>[ 07 March 2002, 00:13: Message edited by: Dark Knight ]</small>