Re: 250kts on departure
Cough
Thats the worry we have, that you guys flying the aircraft have not yet been told. So unless you do, we are going to be hit with the 'can we accelerate yet' question all the time.
Bexil
We do not have the time nor the space ... you should know that because of the way that we are presented with traffic running into Heathrow and Gatwick from the south (as your name implies you know this area). We often get traffic running abreast and certainly not streamed. Lets not turn this into a Swanwick/TC bunfight. The bunching will happen regardless of initial speeds. If the anticipated result is aircraft in one nice stream - it's not gonna happen. A/C will climb quicker, but we rely on knowing that certain aircraft will be very fast a 6000' so that we know they will clear the holding areas and be free to climb sooner.
As for Tactical vectoring - I think you will find we kinda know how to do this at TC due to the multitude of crossing tracks; but both you and I digress - the original post was to find out what the guys and gals at the other end of the Mic thought and also to find out if they had been told anything yet because our managment assures us they have.
BusyB1
The acceleration of A/C to clean up has not even been addressed - beyond the managments limited brainpower to realise the implications of letting some guys accelerate to clean up and the new separation problems that will pose... only so much vectoring we can do if you are stuck under the stacks and there are departures from Heathrow and Gatwick climbing to the same SID level, going to the same point!
Taking away these sorts of tactical tools form the coalface worker is another management interference and proves how little todays managers understand the coalface workers problems.
Eager Beaver
It won't help flow, it just means that A/C will get to the fix a minute or two later... airports will still be firing them off at the same interval - restrict that and you will benefit flow.
It is only for outbounds, it will have no impact on holding arrival. If you are going to hold, you will hopefully have been instructed to slow down before then anyways - usually as soon as you have level separation from any other A/C running in alongside you and you have met the level by restrictions.
You can't really restrict speed much more before then as the en route area guys (like Bexil) need the speed to make sure you get the height off, and to start implementing spacing as they usually get you in a bunch from the French.
We also need to make sure you get the height off to have you in levels which are separated from all the other holding areas.
Slim Shady
If we can get you in the clear to climb we will, then as you say, you can accelerate. So the 'natural separation' we have with different A/C types is also being taken from us to a certain extent!
Danny
That is exactly the point - it won't make much difference so why complicate matters? We are going to have some aircraft accelerating to get clean others doing 250kts, then the A340!!
Direct routeings are more the realm of the en-route guys - they have to sort the rubbish we throw at them before they can start doing that for you!! Tho if its quiet we will try to send you direct, but in a lot of cases it does not comply with En-routes separation requirements regarding parallel routes.
What galls us is the fact that our tactical tools are slowly being eroded by management