As usual, KM is right, and TU and FSU are wrong.. .In truth, the very exisitence of the APA could be nothing other than the organisation which looked after the people who set it up, and not the membership at large, even though they re all scabs.. .It is the very reason why the AFAP from its inception, and under reasonably wise leadership, acted for the best interests of professional pilots.. .There were always individuals, small in number, who could never be satisfied with the AFAP, nor any organistion which didn't fit THEIR requirements exactly.. .Democratic institutions cannot satisfy all of the people all of the time.. .But all in all, the AFAP did a great job, until the scabs came into existence in 1989, led by the heroes we know as "golden scabs", and who took, and I quote: " the king's shilling", and the one who said that will recognise himself.. .The Quaintarse moguls of around 1983, imagined themselves better off under a company union. Not an uncommon thought, as many pilots were frustrated by the goings on in other outfits which did not have anything to do with them. (E.G., AN integration of the '70's).. .But the QF pilots would have done far better under the AFAP. They held greater sway than their numbers warranted in terms of power, but for certain people that was not good enough.. .Now, old TU, the bottom line is that you were, and remain, a scab, as will old FSU, and there are people who hold you in disgust, for your selfishness, and FSU's, clearly knows no bounds. <img src="cool.gif" border="0">