Four young teenagers were killed a couple of years ago in Victoria and the reason was that the pilot was unable to recover controlled flight in the altitude he he had remaining after inadvertingly stalling the a/c (reason unknown for stall). .. .Yet the altitude available was adequate (700'- radar verifide) had the correct technique been used, as it turned out his training was sub standard.. .. .Nuff said. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />