CFI,. .I tend to agree (accept with the last sentence about farting <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> ).. .Recognition of low speed flight and stall symptoms are as important as anything. Proceeding beyond this is territory for the ignorant or sufficiently experienced (at sufficient altitude). The idea of stall training is to avoid coming close to an unintentional stall. Let alone a spin. . .One must recognise the oncoming stall, not recover from it as they will usually be turning final if it ever occours.. .solo practise in essence allows a student to gain confidence in a given field. CFI, I agree, no point.. .. .As for the 3 degree slope, I needed a good laugh <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .Centaurus, any idea who teaches this?