I just wanted to clear up a point in my earlier post when I refered to ATCOs being in positions of power as being laudable. I meant that being in these positions they tend to spend most of their time fighting each other to get up the "greasy pole" this allied to their incompentence means that they tend to leave we "the workers" alone. Professional managers although rule A still applies can often walk and chew gum as well and that makes it worrying for our terms and conditions as a mere "operational resource".