Yeah sure I've heard the "national past time" excuse before and as I stated before it is a loud mouth minority that uses across the board statements like We are sick of NZ they are a very poor cousin and have done nothing but take from our country. GET OUT AND STAY OUT! that makes you all look so stupid. I think that some of you guys should go and kick the cat, take a walk, have a cold shower or maybe just count to 10 before replying to some of these threads. A good old saying in aviation circles never crap on anyone on your way up because you may be surprised who will return the favour on your way down.