Spinnerhead, I note that you asked how many people take shortcuts, amongst others, weight and balance. I know of one.. .. .Try ATSB report B/926/1005 (19 June 1992 - and there were a few other "shortcuts" taken on that one). . .. .It was fatal.. . . . <small>[ 18 March 2002, 10:39: Message edited by: Foyl ]</small>