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17th Mar 2002, 16:07

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Charlie Foxtrot India . . <blockquote>quote:<hr /> . .The decision to stop the CA/GRO was not CASA's to make, it was made by the providers of the service, because the situation has become so unworkable, the MBZ is at times well beyond saturation point, and the non-compliance with procedures by many pilots creates a hazard for those who are doing the right thing.<hr /></blockquote>Agreed – In this case the cart acted before the horse, who could blame them, the people operating the CAGRO must have been uncomfortable.. .. . <blockquote>quote:<hr /> . .Never mind the CAIR reports, they can't release them to Airservices, So all the CAIRs that have been sent in were apparently a waste of effort, sorry folks. (Many of us gave up sending them because absolutely nothing was done anyway)<hr /></blockquote>As I understand, CASA have the responsibility as the Regulator to assess Establishment/Disestablishment of services. The service provider (AsA) then determines the means of providing the service required. AsA holds some delegations to effect change within those services provided.. .ATSB should - Receive reports - Investigate and then recommend to CASA/AsA as the case may be.. .. . <blockquote>quote:<hr /> . .ASA seem to think there is no justification for increased tower hours without incident reports and statistics ; opinions of those who are responsible for trying to maintain a safe operation in this debacle are worth zip to them and have been since the debacle began.<hr /></blockquote>Hard to draw any other conclusion <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> . .– Included FYI, the last Para particularly pertinent :-. . <blockquote>quote:<hr /> . . West Australian . .March 16 2002. .. . Tower Hours up in the Air . .By Eloise Dortch . .. .JANDAKOT Airport wants an extension of its air traffic control tower. .operating hours after two planes collided at the airport in February.. .. .The airport is the site of 11 flying schools and is the busiest in. .Australia.. .. .The airport's management has urged Airservices Australia, the Federal. .Government-owned organisation which operates the airport's control. .tower, to extend its hours from 7.30am-6pm to 8am-9pm.. .. .The request came as the airport announced the closure of its after-. .hours certified air-ground radio operator service on the basis that. .the single operator service could not adequately tell pilots of each. .other's whereabouts.. .. .Airport manager Anne Watson said on February 22 - soon after the air. .traffic control tower had closed for the night and a certified air. .ground radio operator had come on duty - an ultra light plane collided. .with a Cessna.. .. .No one was hurt, though one man was taken to hospital for observation.. .. .Ms Watson said on that several days in February up to 60 movements. .were made within an hour at the airport after 6pm.. .. .She had said the airport had lobbied for the control tower hours to be. .extended.. .. .Airservices Australia spokesman Richard Dudley said recent surveys by. .his organisation showed most airport users did not wish to pay to use. .the airport during the evening.<hr /></blockquote>Echo Echo…... .. . <blockquote>quote:<hr /> There seems to be no effective communication between ASA, ATSB, and CASA. It would appear that the original safety case didn't have much to do with reality, and the decision to close the tower at 6pm was a fait accompli well before the "industry consultation" (What a joke that was) My impression is that ASA don't want to admit they screwed it up, and maybe it'll take a fatal to make them do something about it. They would also have to admit that making half the experienced controllers at JT redundant was a BIG mistake.. .. .Instead, the onus is on the operators to prove we need a tower, rather than on them to prove we don't. . .. .So let's hope that sanity will prevail, and the closure of the CA/GRO will force the hands of those in ASA who can do something about this before it is too late.<hr /></blockquote>Hear Hear !!!