Time Bomb Ted,. .. .I think you've hit the nail on the head for Gunner B 1 2 with the VFG extract and of course, anyone who advised him to check out CAO's is correct too but Turbine's advice is a bit over-the-top.........it is a C152 with him and the CFI on a GFPT flight; no point in going into a laboured diatribe about turbulence, interesting land marks enroute (he's only doing a circle!)and flight time, weather etc etc....and where does it say in the CAOs not to call the emergency exits by that name, or that "in the event of an emergency" should be referred to as the "very unlikely event of an emergency"? Turbine must have a special version we haven't seen as yet!!?. .. .Gunner B 1 2; just keep it simple, to the point and iaw the CAO's and you can't go wrong!. .Good luck and safe flying! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />