Coyote,. .. .Loved your last post.. .. .Let's cover some of auto's this way:. .. .There are times I do them dual that I really can't believe it was I that did it, except for the fact that Mike (CFI) hasn't had his hands on the controls. That alone is my confidence builder. He may make statements to me about one condition or another, but now it's mostly silence, except for when he announces "power failure", or "quick stop" on a departure <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> ). .. .We discussed that it seems to be important that someone at my level of time have the instinct to get the collective down for a good entry when the power failure is real, and I believe I can do that.. .. .One thing I haven't heard yet in this discussion is that of getting to the point where one is outside the aircraft during the auto. I am transitioning to that at the moment, especially for my 180's.. .. .It would matter not if I didn't overspeed (and if in a real EOL, at my flare I may not care too much that I overspeed it right?, though not my intent) and held everything in the green if when getting to the bottom I find out I was along for the ride into a barrier, etc.. .. .Wehn I look at my time and how many things could go wrong in practice, heck it isn't something I want to try yet. Though I don't see the issue with an entry followed by a power recovery higher up as H500 stated.. .. .For myself, I typically won't do something on my own until Mike has stated I can do so, he's the one they would be grilling after I ball it up, IMO.. .. .Are we agreed that no matter what your time level, that being able to enter and establish is more of the goal at that level?. .. .Oh yes, I forgot, we can compare plank stalls to doing auto's, but I wouldn't, for stalling the plank has way less variables to it. Every auto we do is different in terms of conditions, weight, etc. That is one thing that makes it hard to gear up for when doing them. Something like no two are "really" the same.. . . . <small>[ 27 March 2002, 18:30: Message edited by: RW-1 ]</small>