mr jet lagger thanx for your response,how do i feel, ive been mam for 3 yrs short of 3 mths.i love flying i love my job.rights eba union/mam(same office) future etc are, all a big nothing to me.i and my assocs.get a great income for the job but,thats it. we are as said many times on many posts on the out side looking in.do i believe in seniority job security and doing your time etc yes, i do and had survived like this at ansett for many yrs. do i think that the way divisions and my type of employment denudes working conditions of your folk,yes i do.do i like it,no i dont.could i say more......................oh yeh!!!!!!! cheers gigs