I quite agree with the advocates of spinning. If unspun, once spun you can really become unspun. The PA 38 is, in my opinion, a filthy piece of kit, but, if you pick up a wing at the stall with aileron, especially with full flap selected - the barn door hinge mechanism- the results can be invigorating to say the least. The trouble with teaching spinning in this aircraft ie: ex FAGC, JHB, on a hot highveldt day ie: pressure alt 5,500 ft, temp +35/38c - how do you climb high enougn to recover either safely or within the dictates laid down by the SA ANR ? I used to spin the beast with students but for demonstration purposes only but it cost them a lot of money in the time it took to get up there. Do remember to close the ashtray before demonstrating otherwise you'll get all covered in the volcanic.