yeah?, please tell gnadenburg, you seem to be knowledgable in this area, or are you one of these types who like to shoot your mouth off with no evidence to back up your comments, if so quit it, our defence force may not be the best most well equiped in the world, it has been run to the ground by government after government, but they do a good job with what they have got, just ask any yachtie (from any nationality) who has been saved by an orion in the pacific ocean, or the people of east timor, and in various communities in southern iraq, afganistan and bosnia, as well as the mine clearing work in africa, are you saying thats not worth it?