Some ppruner's have the amazing ability of twisting threads to have a side swipe. This time I refer to eoinok who it seems from previous posts has incredible inside information which he generously brings to this forum. However, it always appears on occassion to be at the expense of RE. In this instance how could you possibly question REs business model on their LTN operations. My understanding is that they are the best performing routes for them both in terms of volumn and yield. Comparing an LCY model to a LTN model is the proverbial chalk and cheese. I can't imagine either that the route is low-cost. I would suspect it is appealing to the pax who prefers direct access and is prepared to pay for it. Currently both routes are also protected because of infrasturce deficits at both WAT and GWY. I also understand that both routes are capacity constrained requiring additional frequency. Why knock it? Well done RE.......lets now get back to the thread you started....ok eoin!