Stampe - hypothetically, if all the BA members left BALPA, what sort of future would the union have? And how much would the Gen Sec get paid?. .. .Immelman - "weakness...may also be wisdom", you're not a spin doctor for Stephen Byers are you? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .I am not surprised at these typically British attempts to pull everyone down to the lowest common denominator. We are in a global market place. What is wrong with learning from ALPA and AAPA and aiming for the Ts+Cs that our colleagues across the pond enjoy? We should aim high and not at our own feet! Anyway, I suppose it was worse during the Blitz. Still, musn't grumble. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />