Hot Wings - I am not disputing what you say, I am saying if things are not right and you feel strongly enough, do something about it. Other airlines' pilots also see Airwaves so they do know about the election. I also do not like un-opposed returns to office but if nobody comes forward, what does CD do? Jump ship? Not very realistice is it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> On CRM actually, the old style used to be to hurl abuse at the other poor sod - I am suggesting that these days one does speak up but tends to avoid 'slime-ball'and similar terms of endearment( not that you said that ) - well, hardly ever, anyway.Terms and Conditions have to be negotiated - not demanded and they also have to match market conditions. BA has, unfortunately, taken too long to grasp that - Micawber, and all that - and if you, like I, believe that Sep 11th was used as a smoke-screen by airlines, in the same way as certain government officials who got sacked for it, you will agree that BA discovered, just like others, that this was their opportunity to try to get the numbers to add up again.The low-cost jobbies won't survive long-term - remember Laker and all that - but by god they do some damage to the 'stayers' in the meantime. So, to survive - to keep our jobs, we do need to be flexible - BA want to survive, so do we - that's why strikes don't happen much these days - confrontation does nobody any good. Weakness, perceived, in our leadership may not be exactly what it appears - it may also be wisdom. However, a democratic organisation gets what it deserves - so it's up to us to try to get the right people to represent us - but don't imagine that a table-thumper will do the trick - we need a diplomat, above all, who can negotiate and reach mutually acceptable compromises - if you get any agreement that is not a compromise, it will surely be short-lived. .Well, how sad am I to spend all this time? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />