Thanks for all the gen, the current PA34 we have are supercharged, but still gutless in the summer, purchase costs are not particularily a problem and they would like reasonable running costs, hence the 6-8 seater option may not be feasible. The "its better training argument" is great if someone else is doing the flying, personally I'd like the option of going up on one in case I don't have 2. The PN68 Ivan suggested, I'd like to hear more about as I'm not familiar with it.. .Thanks to everyone for the responses so far