ComJam, I know a couple of people who had run-ins with the management and didn't enjoy their time up North but I stand by what I said; they are good people to work for, I had a cracking time there and but for the economies of starting a family would still be there now.. .They brought the thing in about recording time at work while I was there and I could never understand it because even working an 8 hour day without any flying the retainer covered the NMW, average monthly flying pay put you well above.. .While I haven't ever really worked for any bad employers I know several who have and they all reckon the organisation we're talking about is one of the better ones. Sorry you didn't enjoy it as much as I did.