Bollocks ftrpt.........FS is quite correct in his last post. Pilots are still special, try operating an airliner without them. Without denigrating other professions, no one person is more critical to the flight than the pilot (an aircraft can get airborne if a manager or cleaner calls in sick but not if the pilot isn't there).
and pilots get paid significantly more than cleaners for that very reason (and cabin crew, load controllers, check in staff etc)
As with any industry, supply and demand will govern what pilots get paid. Globally the industry now must pay appropriately and pilots will move to where pay and conditions are better.
Exactly right. How much is 'appropriately' by the way?
So is it a case of 'smashing pilot conditions and non operational parasites doing everything they can to cut pilots down to size'; or is it a case of supply and demand?
The recent recruitment was for FO's to fill short notice vacancies (Dragonair)".
And there were enough replacements readily available to fill the positions
Jetstar will simply be a training ground for pilots who will then take their endorsemnt and move O/S to where the demand is strong and conditions far superior.
maybe, maybe not; pure speculation. Will have to wait and see. Im sure there will be plenty of people willing to replace them for the conditions on offer - supply and demand.
like pigs at a trough they grab as many 'perfomance' bonusses
and .
hypocritical and divisive managements
sounds very much like your version of tall poppy syndrome. What other people are able to negotiate for their services is irrelevant - back to supply and demand
Aussie pilots need to unite as an industrial group (AIPA and AFAP) and take a cohesive stand
agreed.
They also need to attack from a realistic standpoint - blaming the Impulse pilots and using terms like 'non-operational parasites' are hardly going to help win support for your position.
Im sure events such as:
- the demise of the 2 airline policy
- privatisation and listing on the stock market of Qantas
- the emergence of low cost airlines throughout the world
- 89
- more rigourous competition throughout the world
- Sep 11 and SARS
- changes to the industrial relations laws throughout the country
- threat of a 2nd low cost airline in Australia
- collapse of Ansett
have had nothing to do with the downward pressure of pilots conditions. No, its all a conspiracy by greedy, jealous management to cut the tall poppy pilots (after all they are so very special) down to size. Its so simple when everything is so black and white.
From FS' last post:
what do you think the profession of pilot in this country and worldwide is worth ??
whatever the market will pay and still fill the seats
have a look at what isv being paid to pilots in north asia at the moment an then tell me if you think pilots arde overpaid in this country.
irrelevant
Jetstar is costing $1 billion to set up, to fly routes that in most cases are already serviced by QF group aircraft
and they obviously believe that over time it will result in increased return to the shareholders, or that it will stop another entrant entering the market. Who is to know whether Jetstar is going to work or not, but to think its all about 'smashing the pilots' is just childish.
Joyce and his cronies at the top of the airline are all on $1 million per year +++ or very close to it.
Good luck to them. Quite indicative of FS' approach by labelling all his management team 'cronies'. Gee, they must all be useless and much less special than the pilots.
Jetstar is about smashing pilot conditions and non-operational parasties doing evrything they can to 'cut pilots down to size' - not about low cost
Can see it now; "Damn, FS has seen right through us. Oh well, lets pay them more then."