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Old 24th March 2004 | 14:54
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bookworm
 
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I still don't accept that a jar-ppl can come over from france and fly VFR in 1500m vis.
The ANO schedule8 section 2 is stating what the licence priviliges are for the holder of a JAR-PPL, it doesn't say those priviliges only apply in the UK.
This is surely what JAR is all about, standardising Licencing. Are you suggesting that priviliges vary from one member state to another? If so what was the point of joining JAR??
OK, here's the article that cites Schedule 8:

22 (1) (a) Subject to sub-paragraph (d) and paragraph (2), the CAA shall grant licences, subject to such conditions as it thinks fit, of any of the classes specified in Part A of Schedule 8 to this Order authorising the holder to act as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom, ...

And here's the one that says that the foreign PPL can come and exercise the privileges of his licence:

21 (3) Subject as aforesaid, a person shall not act as a member of the flight crew required by or under this Order to be carried in an aircraft registered in a country other than the United Kingdom unless:
(a) in the case of an aircraft flying for the purpose of public transport or aerial work, he is the holder of an appropriate licence granted or rendered valid under the law of the country in which the aircraft is registered or the State of the operator; or
(b) in the case of any other aircraft, he is the holder of an appropriate licence granted or rendered valid under the law of the country in which the aircraft is registered or under this Order, and the CAA does not in the particular case give a direction to the contrary


And here's the combination that says that he can come and do exactly the same thing in a G-reg:

21 (1) Subject to the provisions of this article, a person shall not act as a member of the flight crew of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom unless he is the holder of an appropriate licence granted or rendered valid under this Order

(4)(b) For the purposes of this Part of this Order, a JAA licence shall, unless the CAA in the particular case gives a direction to the contrary, be deemed to be a licence rendered valid under this Order.

Note that in no part of Art 21 does it say that limitations mentioned in Schedule 8 apply. It doesn't apply to licences other than those isssued by the UK CAA under the provisions of Art 22.

As for standardisation, privileges do indeed vary by state of licence issue: a basic PPL with a licence issued by the UK CAA is restricted to 3000 m min vis, 10 km for SVFR, and to flight in sight of the surface. None of those restrictions are part of JAR-FCL1.

JAR-FCL didn't change the situation in this regard. But it does mean that when you go to another JAA member state and roll up at a flying club, your JAR-FCL licence should be accepted for flight in their aircraft (subject to the same restrictions as you would be in the UK). In pre-JAA days, there was no obligation for your licence to be recognised for flight in aircraft registered in the other state. Some states (like the UK) said "fine", others wanted you to complete reams of validation paperwork.
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