Originally Posted by
Prometheus737
I’m sorry but have you read the detail of what I’ve said?
I was quite clear… post CPL / APS MCC training should and technically legally is the employers responsibility. Especially OCC and LIFUS… where you are operating to specific company SOPs … recruiting and charging employees with the suggestion you’re initially a consumer…. even though you’re unlikely to be so unless the type rating is generic … and not paying them for part or all of that period amounts to illegal deductions from wages. For instance paying 30k for a type rating … then being paid £1400 per month on the line for the first 6-12 months… amounts to likely minimum wage violations even if you can’t see it in the payslips themselves.
You say there’s no requirement to saddle yourself with debt to become a pilot… I don’t follow… how else does one attain a CPL if not taking on 1000s in debt? I also don’t follow your logic… if avoiding debt was the driver of all careers… we wouldn’t have many skilled positions at all would we? We as a society decided to force debt on the aspirational to commodify it … now it’s so normalised the view is not “the world needs pilots / Drs etc” but you don’t have to choose to become one 🤦♂️ — when did we collectively decide to become serfs again?
Virtually every airline recruiting pays for the type rating onwards… as its employer specific and hard to extract the OCC components. Why do we collectively allow Ryanair the uncompetitive advantage… of not adhering to the rules all other employers seem to abide by? And apparently we’ve done it that long… it’s normalised to the point where it’s seen as normal for a pilot to take on an additional 30k + of debt after CPL / ATPLs and not be paid through training and then be underpaid… when initially on the line flying passengers.
It’s odd that people defend a company for making people’s lives actively worse… likely breaching legal obligations and declaring it a consequence of supply and demand…solely for pilot recruitment… while simultaneously ignoring that this very practice has created an un-competitive advantage in the market place for that very airline which is then defended illogically as exploiting the “fair” market 😂😂.
I recommend reading the guardian article and Ghent study. This isn’t as simple as supply and demand and the view that Ryanair can simply do whatever they want and abuse people.
Don't know, 6 months max (who's staying in line training for 12 months?) on 1400€+14€/sbh, based in Italy, 3.8k net until 500h, then 5k net seems a good option to me...
You may also not know that not every country in the EU has a minimum wage.