Originally Posted by
Prometheus737
I regret commenting on this thread. I should’ve known the sycophants would swarm 🙄.
Anyone taking on £70k+ of debt just to perform a function for an employer is stepping into a broken system. Apprentice electricians don’t do that. Doctors don’t. Lawyers don’t. Student loans are a tax, not a ransom. No other profession front-loads cost like this before a single pay cheque. It shuts people out, fuels exploitation, and bleeds directly into safety.
Pilots provide a service to society like anyone else. Previous generations weren’t buried under this kind of debt. Now the same people who benefited from fairer systems defend the one that stripped them away. Falling birth rates, unaffordable housing, privatised essentials — all consequences of the same thinking.
Maybe I do need a reality check — that we’re living through mass delusion, where the middle class is being squeezed into non-existence while the wealthy line their pockets with the type-rating fees of line-training pilots sleeping in their cars.
That came direct from a Ryanair line-training captain.
Clearly no one thinks in systems anymore. 🤦♂️
You are holding on way too tight.
Companies offer certain Ts & Cs, and pilots are free to accept them or look elsewhere. If there are not enough applicants, then Ts & Cs improve. It’s basic supply and demand.
As someone else has mentioned, take a look at the hourly rate of a junior lawyer, or a junior doctor. In neither case is there any form of useful regulation of working hours.
You keep going on about the regulators role in salaries. Please point us all towards the ESA/FAA/UKCAA/CASA/NZCAA references that point to this. Actually don’t bother - you would be wasting your time. Aviation regs do not touch on employment law.
As an FYI, poor salaries, and other unsavoury ideas have been around since way before you left construction to start a flying career. They have only increased through supply and demand, and good union negotiations. Never has a regulator said “pay your pilots more”. Unless you can provide a reference thats counters this, let it go.
Sycophants? Really? Care to expand? Maybe let this go too.