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Old 6th October 2025 | 14:04
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go-around flap 15
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Originally Posted by Prometheus737
Sorry I have to disagree you’re equating a McDonald’s Worker to being the same as a highly qualified individual in a safety critical industry. Yes the people may accept it… that is clear for all to see… the question really is why are regulators allowing it and how is it possible it’s got this far.

We can’t even remotely equate it to a McDonald’s worker as they don’t even have to outlay any costs for the job and then when they start the job they are guaranteed the minimum wage.

Forcing pilots to pay for operator required training so anything past CPL / APS MCC (disguised or not) is an illegal deduction and likely results in pay to fly, which is indentured servitude by another name never mind debt bondage.

Minimising this whole issue is part of the problem, I was glad to see the guardian have recently picked up on the Ghent study where you can see how this erodes flight safety and just culture.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2...es-study-warns

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ur-experiences

This issue is a root cause of the smaller issues seen across these forums. Surely the regulators should be forced to act rather than the community aiding them in ignoring it and having the attitude… “it’s becuase people accept it” a corporation has far more power than any single person who falls foul of the trap the corporation has created. Isn’t aiding them essentially victim blaming while helping the company erode Ts&Cs until there is nothing left?

Sorry I get quite passionate about this, I can’t stand injustice and whenever i read about it I get a bug in my bonnet.
Are they paying for the training, or are they just being paid a lower basic wage until they are out of their training? The two things are contractually, and legally, very different. There is absolutely nothing a regulator can do (or should do) if an airline wanted to start up paying minimum wage to every single employee, including Captains. What stops this happening is market forces, unions, and the unity and professionalism of the pilot employees themselves.The pay rate for any job isn’t really about how prestigious or respected it is. It all comes down to market forces. Basically, how many people have the same skills and qualifications and are willing to do the job for a certain amount.

At the end of the day, you’re paid based on how many others could do your job just as well for less money. If only a small number of people can meet that standard, the pay naturally goes up.

That's why professional footballers are well paid. On the flip side, there are plenty of jobs that are highly respected but don’t pay much, simply because there’s a larger supply of people able and willing to do them. Pay reflects scarcity and ability. Certainly not perceived professionalism or status.
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