Hoo-boy! Aren't you a touchy lot!
Power Up:
So as a newie / wannabe in helicopters, I or any other students are not allowed to read / post opioins on a professionals forum such as this
Well...this *is* a forum for professional pilots, so your "opioin" (whatever that is) is worthless. And even when you get your CPL your
opioin will still be worthless. Because you're not a
professional until you do it for money.
So as I qualify with a CPL, you believe that I cannot operate a B206 as PIC? - I already know a guy who does.
...Flies PIC as a commercial pilot with just a CPL? Bull.
Personally (don't know if anyone agrees), you sound arrogant, and suffer from quite an ego, even with your number of hours, I don't think I would want to fly with you.
Don't worry, sonny, I can assure you that with *your* attitude, I would never let you into my cockpit, much less even point out to you which one is the cyclic. Now go back to the "wannabe's" forum where your
opioin might have some weight, and leave *this* forum to the professionals because you have nothing constructive to add here. NEXT!
Dynamic Component:
I guess it does not count that I got my first commercial job AS PIC in a TURBINE with 160 hrs.
Liar. You flew commercially in a turbine helicopter with 160 hours
total time?? Nope. Uh-uh. That's just a flat, out-and-out, baldfaced lie. NEXT!
Sez Eacott:
I've had the priviledge of putting one low time (c.200+hrs) piston only helicopter pilot into a JetRanger, after much assessment, discussion with our insurers (QBE Aviation, who have always been extremely supportive), and supervision. She is doing well, and moving steadily along a progressive path of more complex operations as her skills improve.
She is doing well?? Good God, there's an accident waiting to happen. John, you're not just asking for trouble, you're
begging for it! Then again, if you did actually put a chippie in as a command pilot of a 206, I'm sure you don't have to beg her for anything.
And hey John, you sound noble. If you want to take on such huge risks, go right ahead. But you know...I mean you KNOW that there is no substitute for flight time. Would you have hired *yourself* with only 160 hours total time? I thought not. Turn a girl loose in a JR with only 200 hours? That's pure idiocy. Ferry flights....maybe. But what else can she do? Charter? Longline? EMS? Oh yeah. Not! NEXT!
For the Canadian view of things, this from Helo Teacher:
We all hire, mentor, and turn loose 100-hr R22 pilots year after year. We don't put then into SPIFR 430's but nor do we consider them incompetent.
But they are. Of course you can turn a Robbie pilot loose with 100 hours. But not as a working pilot. Not even with 200 hours! If that were true, then Frank Robinson would have to divert his entire production run of R-22's to Canadian schools, which would have students lined up out the door and around the block. Another fabrication. NEXT!
Then there's Taco. Ahhhh, Taco:
If this idiot can haul missiles around a battlefield at 200 hours (in a turbine), then other people can move passengers around an oil patch.
Good Lord, do you guys even READ what you write? I'll give you one thing, Taco, you got that self-assessment thing down pat. You were referring to yourself about carrying missiles around battlefields, no? But 200-hour oil field pilots? OH YEAH! Dream on, McDuff. NEXT!
Decimal:
The reason this industry is struggling at the moment is due to CPs and Ops Mgrs like you. More should take a leaf out of John`s book. The trouble is - they invest time, money and heartache into developing low time guys to get them industry ready. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS?
They crash.
They get poached by a company with a CP like you - who wasn`t prepared to nurture the young inexperienced pilot, pay the insurance rates, accept the fact that YES a tail rotor strike MIGHT happen to this new guy-
Yes and they MIGHT kill themselves and they MIGHT be carrying passengers when they do it and I MIGHT not want to have that on my conscience (see: Omniflight EMS helicopter crash on 9/9/02 and thread about same on this very board).
The point I, and a lot of others take issue with is the comment "350hr Robbie pilot not ready for commercial work." I guess PP if you ran the CAA`s across the world you`d have everyone needing a full ATPL before being let loose.
You're taking one thing and making a huge leap to another. I never said any such thing- only that 350-hour Robbie pilots are unemployable as commercial, professional PIC's. Don't go putting words in my mouth, Dec. NEXT!
Finally, the inimitable Bravo 99. This guy is some piece of work!:
I answer only one quistion that is no we are not one in the same and yes my log book goes into 4500 hours.
4500 hours of sitting in front of a computer playing Flight Sim that is.
I HAVE JUST READ A LITTLE FURTHER THIS P PRUNE WHAT EVER HE CALLS HIM SELF. THIS GUY IS A COMPLETE !!!! AND WANTS DECKING
DONT COME TO THE UK AND SAY THAT TO MY 350 HOUR FRIEND HE I AM SURE WOULD DRAG YOUR HEART OUT BY HIS BARE HANDS
Well now my boots are quaking! Gee, I better not ever return to Mother England, lest I happen into a pub and hear, "So YOU'RE the number one PPRUNE FAN, eh????" right before some twit conks a beer bottle over me noggin. Oh wait- I'll never run into Bravo 99's "friend" in a pub. I don't go in gay bars!
O AND BY THE WAY HE IS FREQUENCY ADAPTOR AND HIS
COMPUTER IS DOWN BUT I HAD A LITTLE CHAT AND HE IS ITCHING TO RESPOND SO HEADS UP FOR MONDAY I THINK IT WILL BE AN INTERESTING RESPONCE
Yes, can't wait for him to get here and post his
opioin. Bravo, you should save all that macho, blustery junior high school posturing for...well, for your little junior high school friends. It might work with them.
i did not think that a simple reply would course world war three
Well you *did* course it, so we might as well let it run its cause. Why? Just because, of course.
Guys, guys, guys...enough. It's one thing to offer encouragement to newbies. Yeah, that's great. But to lie to them and say that it is possible to obtain employement as a commercial pilot with well under 500 hours is just dishonest. It's not reality. It's fantasy. Perhaps if you knew the
guy from day one, had monitored
his training, and could give some continuous "hands-on" mentoring (like Eacott must be doing to that bird
), then it
might be possible. But if a guy shows up on my doorstep with 350 hours total time (most of it in Robbies) and I don't know him from Adam but he's got this stellar recommendation from "someone" who calls himself Bravo 99... I'd say, "Hit the bricks, sailor, we've no need for your sort 'round here. Move along."
Let's face it, someone with less than 500 hours is simply not going to be doing the things that people pay us to do with helicopters.
EMS? Not on your life.
ENG? Same thing.
Charter? Are you joking? In the U.S., you can't even do charters under FAR 135 with less than 500 hours.
Tours/rides? Not into and out of a confined area...and not with *MY* helicopter.
That leaves the odd ferry flight or maintenance test hop. But most low-timers I've met couldn't detect or quantify a high-freq vibration even with a tuning fork stuck up their bum. So...send a newbie out to do a track&balance? Nope.
Make all the comparisons you want about how little flight time you military guys had when you were turned loose as "captain" of your aircraft. It's apples and foosballs, and does not equate in the real world (you know, the one with real risks that insurance companies have to cover). So let's drop this pretense.
My original question was whether Bravo 99 honestly thought his "friend"
was competent and qualified to fly a 430 off a boat. We now know that Bravo 99 believes that he is. We now know a little bit more about Bravo 99 than we did before...and about some of you lot as well. The rest of us...the ones who really know about this business, sit back, shake our heads and just go, "Boy, there sure are a lot of stupid people out there."