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Old 26th October 2024 | 18:39
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AdamSt205
 
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Originally Posted by truckflyer
First of all 37 is not to old, but there is some nonsense advice given by some here.
37 - 40 is not really to old, if you are healthy, and you can bare the financial pain of the training.

I had my PPL when I was 18, struggled to have cash to go further that time, than I ended up in a great business that I did enjoy that lasted for over 20 years. I used to play around on Flight Sim, but I stayed away from real airplanes, as I never saw myself being able to make it a career, due to my prescription on my glasses, what I initially was not aware of was that the EASA regulations had changed since I took my PPL when I was 18.

Around 18 - 19 years later I discovered the new medical regulations after I had decided to redo my PPL, I was now around 38. It was fly as required, and I already had a logbook with around 250 hours, so I did not need to do any hour building. As I was still running business, I decided at the age of 40 to start my modular training, I did it part time over approx 2 years, I was done training at the age of 42, and I got my first job at the age of 43 with a total of around 300 hours, RHS with a solid good European company (before Brexit) I had to commute 4 hours by flight, every 7 and 9 days, for around 2 years I was home around 3 out of 10 days. It was part of the reasons that it cost me my marriage, there were other reasons too, but the commuting certainly did not help.

During this journey, I would like to mention that there was age issues with recruitment with some companies, Ryanair did that when I tested them once by changing my age in the dropdown box, and applied with an age of 10 years younger than I really was, within few days I had an email confirming interview date, I emailed them and told them I had inadvertently made a mistake with "year" drop down box, and gave them my correct age, and within days my interview was cancelled.
So my experience is that it is harder get first job when older, but it is not impossible.

I was to this month 42 turning 43 when I got my first airline job, and at the age of 51 I got my Command with a major European airline, I was delayed by 2 years because of Covid. I enjoyed the job before I got my Command, but becoming Captain made the job great. At "our" age, you don't want to spend to long time in the RHS, hence when I say consider your options for future career progression, long haul you might never get LHS, some short haul companies might also take long time. Wizz, Ryanair and Easyjet it generally goes quite fast.

First have in mind when you go modular, there are many airlines that will not employ you unless you have experience. The only companies that I believe in UK might employ would be Ryanair, Wizz. Logan Air, maybe Titan if you have done the modular route, the integrated will give you many more options. I personally dislike those training schools, because I do believe they are overpriced, but on the other hand they do increase the chance of employment, so at an older age you need to try to deal yourself the best cards possible,

After Brexit, you are limited to UK companies, if you want to apply outside you need to consider first if you have the right to work, than getting the EASA license / medical, and many companies have language requirements.

I am not a big fan of the MPL schemes, but in fairness they are great options as they give you a guaranteed job. And those who talk down the easyJet MPL scheme clearly does not know what they are talking about. For an older candidate it is the best way, sure there will be some hard times in the start, but you generally have good career path, and can reach the LHS within 6 - 7 years, which is not bad.

What you need to consider is what you would like to do, some seem to believe easyJet is just a "stepping stone", there are few European short haul companies that will give you better conditions, if you want to be home every day, part time options etc., go to BA / Euroflyer short haul and you will be living in hotels everyday, long haul again is another game, getting LHS Long Haul with BA might never be achievable. So these are things to consider.
Wizz offers quick career progression, maybe the quickest, but you will have not many good benefits, and you need to work hard for your money, as basic pay is low, flight pay is the largest part of your pay. So if you end up some months sick, that won't be great.
But in the start beggars can't be choosers, so nothing wrong going 1 - 2 years with companies such as Wizz, get your experience / hours and move on.

Personally I love to be back home in my own bed each night, seeing my kids and wife, sure can be hard sometimes, but it is worth it in the end.
So my advice would be try to get into some of those sponsored programs, or MPL programs, I also believe Wizz have some cadet program, but again they can also be a bit funny about the age thing, they might not want to pay your training in those cases from what I experienced. I am not so updated anymore on all these various programs available.
So do some research first, the most important thing is that you get an interview after your training is completed, or even better you pass the interview before your training starts.

Financially it might be hard for the first 3 - 4 years, depending on what you are used to from before of course. But don't delay your start, because it does not get easier with age.
I have just got my Class 1 medical and I start my PPL training in two weeks. I live in the countryside and plenty of access so can do two lessons a week so hoping to get my PPL by the end of spring. I had a bit of a ballache with my class 1 medical. Everything was great but I suffered with white coat syndrome and had to get my NHS GP to give me a 24 hour blood pressure monitor and I had to wait over a month for my results. It came back fine 120/80 and I now have my class 1. Have secured the finance to get my licence but am going to go modular. I did look at the the programs but not earning money for two years would have been a bit of a stretch and too much of a risk. I am also in the process of getting my polish citizenship from my mother's side so will be going for the dual licence route. I have an air field that can do everything up to CPL and will do the theory online. I just need to find somewhere to do my dual cpl.

My only issue is the place that is capable of doing PPL-MEIR I am.on the waiting list to join because they are out of capacity. There is a very local place that has capacity but can only do PPL but I would be able to do it quickly.

My only worry is that if I take up the offer and do my PPL at the local place that when the other place contact me with availability I will have to turn them down and ask to come back later after my theory and just need my ratings and MEP which I worry they will want to do?

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