Just for the final record, I did not delete my own thread, deliberately or otherwise.
Sorry Danny, no more on that from me.
bat.man - it's quite clear you don't work for BACX any more, or you would not speak of a massive distrust between managers and pilots in to past tense. Sorry, couldn't resist that one!
Now, could any BA Airbus pilot advise me what the result would be of their Technical Manager - or any of their pilots - heading off to the hotel on a nightstop whilst leaving one of the engines running. I ask purely to compare mainline's methodologies with our own.
Enough. When deciding which way to vote, we need to consider the past, our management's declared intent, and their actual actions. To compare what they said, and then look at what they did.
Having done that, calm down, and think about the latest round of promises and plans. Quite seriously, why does anyone think it will now be different.
Forecast from the Prince:
1. BA will announce a massive turnround in profitability next quarter. (No more Jetstreams or ATP retirals to fund!!)
2. There will still be no payrise, no access to mainline and no written, witnessed guarantees about base longevity.
(yep, I know employees don't normally expect guarantees like that, but with our shower of mendacious self-interested plonkers, that's what it would take to have us believe them.)
So, explain to me in simple terms why anyone at any base other than Manchester or Birmingham should vote anything but YES.
Now think about BHX and MAN. Think about the huge seniority imbalance caused by the gerrymandering of the positions. Think, if you will, with the huge volume of senior guys in junior seats just how long it will be before any normal movement occurs to resume normal career progression. The'management' hope that there will be enough senior guys resign and leave in disgust and frustration. They hope this because the cost of the abortionate structure they have created is immense, because the FO / Capt ratio is completely wrong. The joke is that if a suitable redundancy package were organised for the REALLY senior guys, they would go quite happily in some cases, leaving a more balanced structure behind, and this would actually be CHEAPER than paying all these RHS captains. AHA, yes, that's why they want to undo the pay protection - induce more 'unprotected ' skippers to leave.
In summary though, do you trust Evans, TDLF, APOPH etc to deal honourably with your and your families futures?
How many times have some of us thought - well we must turn the corner soon?
What is the prime motivation of the above individuals? It doesn't take much thought really does it?