Boys, come now, you could swap stories from now until xmas and it will not make a difference. Got quite a few myself but not whilst this subject has detracted into a mud slinging contest.
Believe me, over the years we have all done a pretty good job. Yes, plenty and I mean plenty of things have gone wrong, some serious but we have tried to learn from those mistakes and just occasionally had a chuckle at others misfortunes.
I dont like to take sides albeit, all my flying has been in green but I did have the good fortune to fly in the province from 1975 to 2002 on all types and types long gone. Can I suggest all those now involved read the subject again from the start and perhaps start again. We can say the same things but lets leave the venom out. I'm sure we are all familiar with "you should not throw stones in a greenhouse"
Chill