Originally Posted by
RHINO
This is very much NOT Airbus. Re read your FCTM carefully. There is a lot that must happen before you get to this stage. And I'll say it again for the avoidance of doubt it is PM that starts the ECAM. There are very good reasons in AIRBUS why this is the case. PM must firstly be sure that the Aviate is safe and also the Navigate and Comms are appropriate before PM does ANYTHING with the ECAM. Prompt, Direct, Intervene as appropriate and if you are going to intervene then it is I have Control and press the red button and hold it. Only when PM is 100% happy with ANC may they commence identifying the failure. When PF is happy with the failure and has confirmed it then they may order the ECAM. Because you cannot see the other pilots side stick action it has to be like this before any ECAM happens. Ask the crews of 447or 8501 what they would do with hindsight.......remember the PMs in both case did not stick to this disciplined approach and paid a terrible price. . Please re read your FCTM regarding ECAM handling.
Safe flying....
Sorry, but you are not making a lot of sense. But what 321XLR quoted is definitely what Airbus wants. The PF is the only one who can asses if they are ready to start the ECAM. The PM cannot start or delay ECAM actions without being told to do so by the PF. The PF should not order ECAM actions if there is other things that require attention more than the ECAM, but it is the PF who makes that call. If that leads to a problem, the PIC will have the authority to make that decision, not the PM.
What happened with 447&8501 had nothing to do with ECAM handling or airbus procedures. 447 was a result of bad aircraft handling by both pilots, 8501 was a result of unauthorized procedures used in flight.