Originally Posted by
22/04
at least this one appears simple and not a system failure - an error.
Does someone knows if in the US a CVR is mandatory for a business jet in these types of ops ? if it is . and not erased , it would probably give us a very interesting clue as to what the dymanic was. If it was the same as Tenefrife, taking off without being cleared , but believing you are and when told by the other crew member , we are not , replying emphatically : "yes we are" .and because of the cockpit authority gradient it is not challenged. We changed totally the phraseology and developped CRM after that and thought naively that we had solved the problem. But maybe there is another resaon for the error, pity we miss some of the R/T.
@ DIBO : thank you for your "cleaner"version of the R/T , ( also to
BFSGrad for his transcript ) but would have liked to hear the Lear jet confirmation of the line up and wait and traffic info instructions.