Comment about post locations: Events which we all agree are accidents, and intended to be discussed in this forum, rather than R&N. Sure, when it happens, it's news, but after a while, it's still an accident, worthy of discussion, and not so much news anymore. W're not going to have the same event being simultaneously discussed in two different forums, it's just too much work to make sense out of, and moderate. So if you'd like to discuss an accident, here is the best place. Accidents which are first posted in R&N will be moved here, with a redirect message left in the original forum for a day or so to point readers to this forum.
Thanks for your support in keeping things on topic, and tidy here...
Pilot DAR