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Old 6th Jun 2022, 23:56
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Originally Posted by WideScreen

These are nice words for "state-piracy", as we have seen from some of the poorest African countries.

Actually, I think, Russia will simply produce "court documents", with a legal binding confiscation of all these aircrafts, stating the new legal ownership of these aircrafts is in Russia. And, then, China will say: "OK, these are legally owned by a Russian company, etc". If there is an ownership dispute, please first go to court, before we take action on this. So, yeah, I do have some doubts, whether the China mandatory ownership proving is going to make much of a difference. The only difference is, that China can now state they did take action.

I completely agree on that and TBH, I think, the only real solution of this conflict, is indeed, when the RF gets dissolved into many individual and much smaller states. Otherwise, the aggression will keep coming again, the moment, Russia has rebuilt its armed forces.
Wasn't so long ago that one of those tin pot countries in Africa had their registration used for some Antonovs working UN support operations. Two of these aircraft were photographed at the same time in two airports over 2100nm apart, with the same registration number painted on the side. Oddly the twins were not a registration on the tin pot states registration list, nor was the type on the register anyway. At the same time, on another continent, the "not the North" one, a B737 was being leased from another not northern area on another continent. The lessor was in default on the lease and the lessee sent over a team to pick up the plane. They got a great photo of it parked beside another B737, both with the lessees registration painted on them. Another B737 was sitting at the same location, and that was on a lease to the same lessee.... it had left the other continent on a 21.193 SAWC for the purposes of ferrying to the not to not the north continent, to be broken up. It ended up doing 6 months of passenger flights for the lessee, and was then sent back to the not the not the north country and broken up, all on a SAWC... Same country, a full C Check on a B727 got falsified, the guys who did that didn't spend much on the rubber stamp, they spelt the CAA's name in spanglish wrongly, accent on wrong letters.. etc. The plane got itself impounded on return... and the feds had a heck of a laugh. Another series of planes were using the same registration in different countries, including one that was sold to an EU national, who was then told that in spite of buying the aircraft free n' clear, the aircraft actually wasn't able to be deregistered in the current country as the current country registration was in fact illegal, as the plane hadn't been deregistered in another country anyway, as there was still a lien on it for about the same amount as the EU guy had paid to purchase it. That seller wasn't from a rat infested, tin pot African state, yet it was only a tin pot African state that then part out an arrest warrant on the guy... for the following. The poor unfortunate seller had a DC3 that had the PT6's on it, and had one in an unhappy state. He asked another operator in the tin pot African state if he might have a spare so they could ferry their sorry Dak to the new world for work. The hapless tinpot state operator loaned a PT6 to the kindly old gentleman (not Rickover) who then flew away. Months passed, and then the tin pot state operator asked when he may get his engine back, it having been a considerable while since the loaner went out the door. The response was, "well, we parted the engine out, so you can't get it back.... " No wonder there was an arrest warrant out for the guy.

A physical inspection of data plates found it affixed to a 3rd B737. In the meantime, the lessee of this sad story planned a B737 into the weeds on an approach flown in competition with a thunderstorm. The plane in that accident that killed a few dozen punters was remarkably untainted by shenanigans, or at least none were reported.

Africa is not the only country with oddities that occur, not by a long shot.

Same guy spak filled a PC12 that had taken some serious flesh wounds from a hand grenade, which shredded the aft fuselage of the plane. It got painted in the not the not the north continent, with the repair more or less not being Pilatus's preference. The feds did get in on that one... If your late 90's PC12 looks a little worse for wear at the RH tail, then it would pay to see who did a 337 for that toy between 2006 and 2010.... It had a nice paint job in 2010....

Some of this is amusing, sometimes 4 people die when they are given a vacuum pump that is supposed to be overhauled and is not, and they get to try limited panel flight unsuccessfully, and it ends in tears and litigation, with one of the more sturdy regulators doing zip.

China is not unreasonable with their request for provenance.

Russia can provide all of the court documents they wish to the aircraft registry https://www.internationalregistry.aero/ir-web/ or [email protected] and I doubt that without a signatory from the recorded owner that the ownership will change hands. As no court cases on the matter are in the news, I would expect that Russia hasn't tried their luck in finding how far their reputation has been dragged by Putin, but it is not likely that any court direction coming out of a criminal state such as Russia will be accepted in Ireland under the treaty. (I certainly hope that is an overly optimistic expectation of jurisprudence)
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