Begs the question of (Assuming QF lose the High Court appeal too) whether the ramp rats will have a civil claim against Qantas in addition to any legal penalty. I dunno what the TWU has put forward in their statement of claim nor do I know what the average salary would've been but if you're (for example) 30, on a good roster, have good performance reports and pretty good salary, there's no reason to assume you'd leave the job so that's 35 years ahead of you that you've lost that pay & conditions.