Originally Posted by
C441
In most airlines it's a joint responsibility between the pilot and the engineer to ensure the pins are removed before departure. However I would suggest that very few pilots would actually physically pull the pins out as this would (arguably) be a breach of an SoPs that prevent the pins being pulled by other than an engineer when they are actually required to be installed (eg. for maintenance action).
I haven't read the report closely, but I'm sure fatigue would be considered as a factor. It doesn't have to be the middle of the night to be fatigued…...
Not sure if this was relevant to the QF787, but the with the 787, Boeing departed from some tried and true setup with the gear pins.
It has 5 gear pins instead of the usual 3, there have been a few instances of the 2 upper ones on the main gear still in place on a walk around, or later.
They are stored in the Avionics bay, not the cockpit, so you can’t confirm by any visual means.
The 2 holes next to each other on the nose gear that seems to be the cause of the BA 787 nose gear collapse.
It is always the PIC’s responsibility that the gear pins are removed, unfortunately there is the odd case were the system fails.