Stagecoach, of course there is good and nad managers as there are good and bad aircrew. That's my point, that there are two sides to all this. I'm trying to challenge the conventional view held by so many that it's always management that's at fault and pointing out the realties of what happens when things go wrong. I invested because it was a good investment, still is if the business climate picks up. I don't own the airline or anything, I work in the commercial side. Seeing close up the pressures that exist for the owner though, is a real eye opener, believe me. And that's the risk in business, if it works out you can earn a lot of money, but if it doesn't you're liable to lose everything. That's the part people never focus on of course, they will always look at the successfil businessman and tut-tut the big money they will make, but will never look at the huge amount of failures that occur all the time.