S.C. :. .. .You are not alone in the problem of getting started in aviation.. .. .It is not only your generation that had to face this problem.. .. .It does seem to me however that your generation has the missguided belief that everything should be easy and unless they get instant gratification they sulk, moan and demand their right to whatever they wish at the moment.. .. .Working for no pay is detremental to everyone, except the company that is getting voluntary slave labour.. .. .I would bet the bank that if and when you get to a good paying job in the industry you would be the first screaming about how unfair it is for newcomers to drive down your industry.. .. .End of conversation for me Send Clowns.. .. .................... . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />