Its all a matter of market forces - as individuals we can all try to make a certain stand, but the fundamentals of the market will always apply. Now if BALPA/ALPA/IFALPA or governments change the nature of the market that is another thing..... .. .In the UK Monarch, Sabre, UKLeisure(now A2000), Airtours, Easyjet and others have all had guys in the RHS for 6 months for free, with the carrot of a contract at the end. I should know - I was one of them. . .. .I'm not saying it's right - but I didn't dwell on the morality too much at the time, and the break it got me now has me in the left seat of a 737 aged 33. Did I feel exploited ? A bit. Do I recommend the scheme to 200 hour guys now - of course I do! That's capitalism. The alternative system didn't work too well apparently.. .. .Or look at it another way. Other "professions" also have "nasty hoops" to them (Junior House Doctors for one) - and lets not forget David Beckham was once a YTS trainee !!!!